It's so sad , but understandable , we older folk probably won't that far , but in this day and age , with all the MS and SM I can understand the sentiment ! Personally I think the only way the Monarchy might survive is to pass it on to William , but even then 🤷
Why has Mandelson not been arrested? He leaked information to Epstein too! Is Starmer protecting him? Let's have fairness here, thry both must be dealt with in the same way...no seperate rules!!
They can’t do that easily as all 14 realms will need to agree to rearrange the succession also abdication is not a part of the constitution so there’s difficulty no matter where Charles may try to turn but your are also totally right he MUST address the nation and soonest x
14 realms might decide whether they want to re-arrange the succession, but there is no way that WE are bound by what other realms want or don't want. They are free to divest themselves of the monarchy if they wish - and so are we. If we decide that KCIII goes then that is up to us - they can retain him if they so wish.
How about the monarch breaking his Coronation Oath to the people? Or acting against our Common Law, which both our monarch and our PTB have been doing insiduously for decades? KCIII, like his ancestor KCI, forgets that he is in his position by and with the consent of the people. Who gives consent can withdraw it.
Charles is an almost Shakespearean tragedy figure. He waited so long for what he wanted and now he has it he’s bad at it and it’s a disaster. However, he waited so long he’s not going to give it up and to not do so will probably destroy the institution. He’s a kind of Gollum of a King.
I should also add that Charles made a perfectly good statement yesterday and that should be that.
As for the Queen staying in Balmoral when Diana was killed, I believe she did exactly the right thing. The press and public had no right to demand anything of her, Diana was no longer a member of the family.
Gosh Victoria! I thought I was the only one who thought like that. King Charles III issued a statement two hours after Andrew's arrest, and that is suffice. I wish people would get off his case. What more is there to say? Queen Elizabeth II had every right to remain at Balmoral. Diana was no longer a member of the Royal family. Why treat her as such? Did people forget Diana died with her boyfriend, Dodi Fayed? Diana was intentionally being disrespectful to Queen Elizabeth II by associating with Mohammed Al Fayed. Despite Diana's popularity, of all the people in the world, she decides to cozy up to them? It was pure "in your face" spite toward members of the Royal family. The only adoration Diana deserved from the Queen was that of being the loving mother of her grandchildren, and she accomplished that. The Queen wasn't a phony or a fool, as evidenced by her actions at the time of Diana's tragic death. The reaction from the British public was ignorant hysteria targeting the wrong person/people. I am disappointed in Dan Wootten's appraisal of the current situation. I tire of his exaggerated outrage.
What a mess! These people are just NOT in touch with the real world. They are either too entitled to realize or too thick to really care. If Charles loses his reign it will be his own fault. I really feel for William and Catherine, they need to try and keep it together. But Charles has such an archaic mindset he won't help his son or himself.
William doesn't want to take the throne until his children are older, he has said this, wanting to give them as normal a life as possible. In any event, why should he be thrown into the middle of this sh1tshow? KC needs to step up and deal with this now. There's a few that need taking out of the LOS and he needs to implement this also. It's only fair William begins his reign with a clean slate.
All we know for certain is that Andrew knew Epstein, and had sex with a 17-year old.
As to the first, so did a lot of people. Senior politicians from all over the World used to consult him about financial matters. Should the all be vilified, as is Andrew? As for the second, was that questionable? Of course! Was it illegal? No!
The current furore concerns privileged information he allegedly gave to Epstein. As a Trade Envoy, he had considerable latitude. It may well be that he did nothing wrong.
At this moment, we have seen no proof that he has done anything wrong. For that, he has been stripped of his titles, ostracised by his family, and crucified in the media.
This is nothing but an attack on our Monarchy, using Andrew as an excuse. When there is actual proof, try him. If he is found guilty, punish him appropriately, exactly the same as we would anyone else. Until then, report only the facts. Stop the attacks on the King.
No. He has made a rather wordy, long-winded statement, so typical of him. An address to the people would be too stressful for such a sick man.
The problem is what lies beneath all this. We have to ask ourselves - why NOW? Andrew could have been dealt with ages ago. Why has Andrew had his best security removed by being pushed out to Norfolk? Why did Charles want Andrew to avoid an American court so much that he was prepared to give so much money to his accusers without trial?
Andrew hasn’t spoken out. Yet. What does Charles want him to keep quiet about? What else is in those papers? The only people redacted appear to be powerful, rich Americans with the right connections. Charles could be thrown to the wolves just as easily as he is doing to his brother right now.
We have to remember that Epstein and Guiffre died in suspicious circumstances - never brought to court but an all American matter. Andrew is a useful red herring for press men to go chasing after. I’m certain there’s another story that no one’s looking at whilst they are all pointing their fingers at Andrew.
And no I don’t think Trump was involved in anything untoward with Epstein. He was too rich and worldly-wise to be tempted and not needy like Andrew and Mandelson. Epstein preyed on the vulnerable. Trump is anything but vulnerable.
Sharon, Queen Elizabeth didn’t pay all of it, they accessed a few funds. What is Andrew to be found guilty of EXACTLY? He didn’t apparently have relations with any underage girl in Britain. Epstein shipped girls out who were of the age of consent in Britain. Epstein paid them and they consented, some even sending money to their parents, they were “hostesses”, too young I agree, but America is a slightly different culture from ours and “yacht girls” etc are all up to the same game. Using prostitutes isn’t against the law in this country or America. Epstein was a tout and possibly a spy but because of his extreme wealth, they failed to see it.
Andrew didn’t have any state secrets to sell in his job, unlike Mandelson. His indiscretions about other people and what he knew about them are probably the worst danger to the monarchy. Honestly, they should have identified the shadiness of Epstein and acted sooner but then they didn’t do their homework on Meghan Markle either, did they?
I agree that the daughters should be left alone but Charles refused to have them on the List to be working royals as it was HE who wanted a “slimmed down” Royal family, long before William. Naturally, they won’t love their uncle for this selfishness.
I think Charles always wanted to throw Andrew out and when Andrew married the over-excited, extravagant, pushy Sarah Ferguson, I think it finished the relationship. Andrew was a successful Fleet Air Arm pilot and, although not suitable for a command, he did far better than Charles in it. And he was so much more handsome.
I feel sorry for them both. They had a strange upbringing. Anyone who needs that number of teddies and obsesses over their order, is a troubled, possibly traumatised soul looking for his mother. Charles also adored Camilla because she seemed so motherly. I don’t like to blame the late Queen but if both her elder sons are sad figures, it says that maybe she had a lot to learn when she was younger. It’s a tragedy but we mustn’t make it worse by letting the papers sensationalise it more than it’s worth.
It was the queen who paid of VG. She wasnt an innocent soul either. She also found girls for Epstein. With Andrew, i agree with an earlier comment, when he is found guilty then he should face the consequences. With his daughters, they are guilty by association and that is wrong. It is different with H & M. He gave up the throne to ‘live a (cough cough) normal life away from the paparazzi lol. He shld lose his titles and as such so should his family. It was William who decided as a slimmed down Royal family, the girls were not needed so to speak but as Andrew is still in line to the throne, so should his daughters. I do feel sorry for them as they have to put up with the shit show involving their parents. The full Epstein docs need to come out. Mindelsohn sold confidential info, he needs stripping of his title and also prosecuted.
Firstly one bad apple does NOT destroy the whole crop, the RF will survive this as they did the dozen attempts on Queen Victoria's life, the Abdication and scandal surrounding the then Prince of Wales who became king before running off with an American woman already twice married. They survived Harry clearing off to another country and then being vile to his own family. Most certainly both Andrew and Harry should be taken out of the line of Succession immediately, but do not punish Beatrice and Eugenie for their parents wrongs, they didn't get to choose their parents and must now live with a black shadow over them. Have a little compassion for the innocent ones in the family.
I do not know if the king alone can remove his succession. As he has removed all his titles , I am sure he will, if he can. I still think that the Royal Family can do a lot of good for our country, as they have done so before.
As an American, I hurt in my heart for the British people. This is a mess.
Family dynamics are bad enough but yet when they’re played out on the world’s stage it just adds more fuel to the situation.
It was inevitable that all of this would come to head… I’m sure they have all kinds of crisis, managers, etc., but what they need is a good family therapist.
No, Dan he has to wait until the investigation is concluded. FFS why don't people get it! He has to know what he's going to talk about, after the investigation, which I've no doubt will be swift, he'll know what the his nonce brother was guilty of. Really, some people!
Charles has made a mess as normal, totally weak, even if he had televised his statement that would have been better, dragging his heels over Andrew and the time bomb which are the Sussex's which could explode at any time, in saying all that I believe if Andrew is charged then yes, he must be removed from LOS, I recognise the difficulty with the commonwealth it will take time, so remove Harry as well, and strip titles, the monarchy must survive its part of our culture, so much of our culture is being taken, Charles must step up to the plate, not leave it for William, lastly what's happening to Mandy, or is it more 2 tier.
He's no King of mine.
It's so sad , but understandable , we older folk probably won't that far , but in this day and age , with all the MS and SM I can understand the sentiment ! Personally I think the only way the Monarchy might survive is to pass it on to William , but even then 🤷
It can only be done by an act of Parliament.
Why has Mandelson not been arrested? He leaked information to Epstein too! Is Starmer protecting him? Let's have fairness here, thry both must be dealt with in the same way...no seperate rules!!
They can’t do that easily as all 14 realms will need to agree to rearrange the succession also abdication is not a part of the constitution so there’s difficulty no matter where Charles may try to turn but your are also totally right he MUST address the nation and soonest x
14 realms might decide whether they want to re-arrange the succession, but there is no way that WE are bound by what other realms want or don't want. They are free to divest themselves of the monarchy if they wish - and so are we. If we decide that KCIII goes then that is up to us - they can retain him if they so wish.
How about the monarch breaking his Coronation Oath to the people? Or acting against our Common Law, which both our monarch and our PTB have been doing insiduously for decades? KCIII, like his ancestor KCI, forgets that he is in his position by and with the consent of the people. Who gives consent can withdraw it.
That’s the danger isn’t it? Opening that door for dissolution of the monarchy in those realms this is an unprecedented dilemma
Charles is an almost Shakespearean tragedy figure. He waited so long for what he wanted and now he has it he’s bad at it and it’s a disaster. However, he waited so long he’s not going to give it up and to not do so will probably destroy the institution. He’s a kind of Gollum of a King.
I should also add that Charles made a perfectly good statement yesterday and that should be that.
As for the Queen staying in Balmoral when Diana was killed, I believe she did exactly the right thing. The press and public had no right to demand anything of her, Diana was no longer a member of the family.
Gosh Victoria! I thought I was the only one who thought like that. King Charles III issued a statement two hours after Andrew's arrest, and that is suffice. I wish people would get off his case. What more is there to say? Queen Elizabeth II had every right to remain at Balmoral. Diana was no longer a member of the Royal family. Why treat her as such? Did people forget Diana died with her boyfriend, Dodi Fayed? Diana was intentionally being disrespectful to Queen Elizabeth II by associating with Mohammed Al Fayed. Despite Diana's popularity, of all the people in the world, she decides to cozy up to them? It was pure "in your face" spite toward members of the Royal family. The only adoration Diana deserved from the Queen was that of being the loving mother of her grandchildren, and she accomplished that. The Queen wasn't a phony or a fool, as evidenced by her actions at the time of Diana's tragic death. The reaction from the British public was ignorant hysteria targeting the wrong person/people. I am disappointed in Dan Wootten's appraisal of the current situation. I tire of his exaggerated outrage.
I think if he were to remove the Yorks & Sussex’s right now, this would give his subjects hope that he is listening to them.
What a mess! These people are just NOT in touch with the real world. They are either too entitled to realize or too thick to really care. If Charles loses his reign it will be his own fault. I really feel for William and Catherine, they need to try and keep it together. But Charles has such an archaic mindset he won't help his son or himself.
William doesn't want to take the throne until his children are older, he has said this, wanting to give them as normal a life as possible. In any event, why should he be thrown into the middle of this sh1tshow? KC needs to step up and deal with this now. There's a few that need taking out of the LOS and he needs to implement this also. It's only fair William begins his reign with a clean slate.
All we know for certain is that Andrew knew Epstein, and had sex with a 17-year old.
As to the first, so did a lot of people. Senior politicians from all over the World used to consult him about financial matters. Should the all be vilified, as is Andrew? As for the second, was that questionable? Of course! Was it illegal? No!
The current furore concerns privileged information he allegedly gave to Epstein. As a Trade Envoy, he had considerable latitude. It may well be that he did nothing wrong.
At this moment, we have seen no proof that he has done anything wrong. For that, he has been stripped of his titles, ostracised by his family, and crucified in the media.
This is nothing but an attack on our Monarchy, using Andrew as an excuse. When there is actual proof, try him. If he is found guilty, punish him appropriately, exactly the same as we would anyone else. Until then, report only the facts. Stop the attacks on the King.
No. He has made a rather wordy, long-winded statement, so typical of him. An address to the people would be too stressful for such a sick man.
The problem is what lies beneath all this. We have to ask ourselves - why NOW? Andrew could have been dealt with ages ago. Why has Andrew had his best security removed by being pushed out to Norfolk? Why did Charles want Andrew to avoid an American court so much that he was prepared to give so much money to his accusers without trial?
Andrew hasn’t spoken out. Yet. What does Charles want him to keep quiet about? What else is in those papers? The only people redacted appear to be powerful, rich Americans with the right connections. Charles could be thrown to the wolves just as easily as he is doing to his brother right now.
We have to remember that Epstein and Guiffre died in suspicious circumstances - never brought to court but an all American matter. Andrew is a useful red herring for press men to go chasing after. I’m certain there’s another story that no one’s looking at whilst they are all pointing their fingers at Andrew.
And no I don’t think Trump was involved in anything untoward with Epstein. He was too rich and worldly-wise to be tempted and not needy like Andrew and Mandelson. Epstein preyed on the vulnerable. Trump is anything but vulnerable.
We live in interesting times.
Sharon, Queen Elizabeth didn’t pay all of it, they accessed a few funds. What is Andrew to be found guilty of EXACTLY? He didn’t apparently have relations with any underage girl in Britain. Epstein shipped girls out who were of the age of consent in Britain. Epstein paid them and they consented, some even sending money to their parents, they were “hostesses”, too young I agree, but America is a slightly different culture from ours and “yacht girls” etc are all up to the same game. Using prostitutes isn’t against the law in this country or America. Epstein was a tout and possibly a spy but because of his extreme wealth, they failed to see it.
Andrew didn’t have any state secrets to sell in his job, unlike Mandelson. His indiscretions about other people and what he knew about them are probably the worst danger to the monarchy. Honestly, they should have identified the shadiness of Epstein and acted sooner but then they didn’t do their homework on Meghan Markle either, did they?
I agree that the daughters should be left alone but Charles refused to have them on the List to be working royals as it was HE who wanted a “slimmed down” Royal family, long before William. Naturally, they won’t love their uncle for this selfishness.
I think Charles always wanted to throw Andrew out and when Andrew married the over-excited, extravagant, pushy Sarah Ferguson, I think it finished the relationship. Andrew was a successful Fleet Air Arm pilot and, although not suitable for a command, he did far better than Charles in it. And he was so much more handsome.
I feel sorry for them both. They had a strange upbringing. Anyone who needs that number of teddies and obsesses over their order, is a troubled, possibly traumatised soul looking for his mother. Charles also adored Camilla because she seemed so motherly. I don’t like to blame the late Queen but if both her elder sons are sad figures, it says that maybe she had a lot to learn when she was younger. It’s a tragedy but we mustn’t make it worse by letting the papers sensationalise it more than it’s worth.
It was the queen who paid of VG. She wasnt an innocent soul either. She also found girls for Epstein. With Andrew, i agree with an earlier comment, when he is found guilty then he should face the consequences. With his daughters, they are guilty by association and that is wrong. It is different with H & M. He gave up the throne to ‘live a (cough cough) normal life away from the paparazzi lol. He shld lose his titles and as such so should his family. It was William who decided as a slimmed down Royal family, the girls were not needed so to speak but as Andrew is still in line to the throne, so should his daughters. I do feel sorry for them as they have to put up with the shit show involving their parents. The full Epstein docs need to come out. Mindelsohn sold confidential info, he needs stripping of his title and also prosecuted.
Firstly one bad apple does NOT destroy the whole crop, the RF will survive this as they did the dozen attempts on Queen Victoria's life, the Abdication and scandal surrounding the then Prince of Wales who became king before running off with an American woman already twice married. They survived Harry clearing off to another country and then being vile to his own family. Most certainly both Andrew and Harry should be taken out of the line of Succession immediately, but do not punish Beatrice and Eugenie for their parents wrongs, they didn't get to choose their parents and must now live with a black shadow over them. Have a little compassion for the innocent ones in the family.
He needs to step down and let William take over
I do not know if the king alone can remove his succession. As he has removed all his titles , I am sure he will, if he can. I still think that the Royal Family can do a lot of good for our country, as they have done so before.
As an American, I hurt in my heart for the British people. This is a mess.
Family dynamics are bad enough but yet when they’re played out on the world’s stage it just adds more fuel to the situation.
It was inevitable that all of this would come to head… I’m sure they have all kinds of crisis, managers, etc., but what they need is a good family therapist.
Like Oprah Winfrey? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Good one! No, Oprah only thinks she’s a family therapist…….
🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
No, Dan he has to wait until the investigation is concluded. FFS why don't people get it! He has to know what he's going to talk about, after the investigation, which I've no doubt will be swift, he'll know what the his nonce brother was guilty of. Really, some people!
Charles has made a mess as normal, totally weak, even if he had televised his statement that would have been better, dragging his heels over Andrew and the time bomb which are the Sussex's which could explode at any time, in saying all that I believe if Andrew is charged then yes, he must be removed from LOS, I recognise the difficulty with the commonwealth it will take time, so remove Harry as well, and strip titles, the monarchy must survive its part of our culture, so much of our culture is being taken, Charles must step up to the plate, not leave it for William, lastly what's happening to Mandy, or is it more 2 tier.
Charles "must" step up to the plate? Who is going to force him to - that spoiled brat has probably never been told "no" in his life?
Don't get me wrong - I was a monarchist and I still think a monarch is better than a President Blair, Cameron, Starmer etc. etc.